09/03/2026
What does it actually take to create meaningful systems change?
In this conversation with Josie McKinney, she breaks it down into four ingredients behind every great injustice—and every real transformation:
💜Leaders to envision it.
💜 Lawyers to justify it.
💜 Policymakers to structure it.
💜 A critical mass of people to accept it as normal—or to finally demand something better.
When we understand how systems are built, we can understand how to rebuild them.
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